Digg has a huge problem. It cannot change, but it has to change. As a brand, it is cold, cynical and not as smart as it thinks. A bit like a lot of it's users. It has a terrible business model in that if 100 of it's users (the top diggers) stop using it it will become rubbish. Infested with gangs of cyber spivs trying to push their spammy ringtone site. It is only 100 top diggers that keep the scum at bay.
Gab from SEO ROI
· 2 years ago
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan Tamar's back to being critical of Digg. Love this side of you Tamar! It's even more significant considering you're a power user there and all the incredibly things I've either seen personally or been told about by friends.
On a related note, you missed Digg Blackmail (for which, oh irony of ironies and shitty Google domain trust algos, Digg ranks on top of Performancing; it's like me linking to your criticism of Kevin Rose and getting into the SERPs above you).
As usual, I'm loving your content Tamar!
Gab from SEO ROI
· 2 years ago
@ Lyndon: I think that's the most powerful, cutting, poignant criticism and statement anyone could possibly make about Digg. The foundation is shaky as all hell. Imagine if Calacanis had hired away those top users to Netscape!
Tamar Weinberg
· 2 years ago
Gab, that's great! I didn't even see that post yet, but this is hilarious. It's funny that the abuse system is quick to remove spammy stories, but when it comes to them actually responding to real concerns about real users with real feelings, they don't care.
This might be an online world and all, but people still have feelings. Would Digg want to be held liable if one of their most loyal users went off the deep end (put it this way, hurt themselves) because Digg banned their account? Did Digg lose sight about the fact that people are sensitive? It's time to respond to it.
Digidave
· 2 years ago
The site isn't functional (its slow and buggy). Which means the only thing keeping me there are the people. If Digg can't keep them - or respond to their issues, I can think of a dozen different social news sites, some that fit better into specific niche interests I have, I and people with my concerns can switch to.
Calum Coburn
· 2 years ago
Being a South African I admire people like Tamar who are the brave voice of so many of us top 100 users. I feel resigned not to invest much more into digg, and to investigate other social media sites like mixx - as Kevin is a teenager trapped in an adult body, love drunk on the prospect of making even more millions. Was it all too easy for him? It's time for another revolt, this time led by us top 100 users.
chimneydials
· 2 years ago
If any of you guys are interested in creating a Digg that is completely owned and controlled by the community, please read my post http://abcdefu.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/open-so.... It is a proposal of an open system where everything is transparent and users themselves can vote on decisions. I think it is a great idea and I am in the midst of writing the open source code for it. Any help or comments are appreciated. :)
graywolf
· 2 years ago
@lyndon damn gold star for that one baby!
@tamar do you really think it can be salvaged I don't, the problems are in the code, the philosophy, the users, it's infected the system so much it's part of the system. It would collapse without it.
Tamar Weinberg
· 2 years ago
There are still good users there. There are also bad users. They obviously needed to open up (hence the recent images section and taxonomy updates) to appeal to non-techies too. But Digg has made changes people don't like, and they could make substantial changes that people do like if they actually cared about the people. That's where they fail because they leave no indication that they care about the users. They only care about the money.
Patrick Altoft
· 2 years ago
If Digg bans you for being a spammer they don't respond to emails. If they ban you for some other rules breakage then they respond and let you back in.
Tamar Weinberg
· 2 years ago
Patrick, you do realize who was banned, right? If not, as far as I can discern, they weren't spammers. I've Dugg both users before, and I honestly only found out about both users AFTER the fact. I guess they specifically sought me out because of my past criticisms about Digg. Apparently, nobody else is vocal enough.
Doug
· 2 years ago
I have been banned by Digg probably 4 times in the past few months. They never give me a good reason and it gets frustrating. I play by the rules and submit quality stories. I myself wrote a blog post to vent my anger here.
I don't know what happened with emobrat's account being banned, but the other user that was banned? From what I've heard, it's a very sad and disturbing tale of a new user being taken advantage of by a veteran user...shenanigans coming off of the dark side of the IM network.
I've also never understood digg banning first and asking questions later when it comes to established users. Why not fire off an email warning first? If not, at the very least respond to the user once it's done.
...and I agree with Dave above, the community is the strongest part of digg right now. As far as pure function, he site is almost impossible to use. Clicking on anything is a waiting game.
Tamar Weinberg
· 2 years ago
Kelly: maybe you've heard something I haven't. I'm in the IM network with said individual (as in, she has my screenname and we've talked many times) and she's never IM'd me once to Digg her stories. But if Digg really is on a mission to ban people for IMing stories (which isn't much different than shouting, imo), then I can give them a list with about 100 people who have done the same to me over the past few months (and no, I don't know them, but they "found [my info] on Digg" or so I'm informed every time I get one of these IMs).
Kelly
· 2 years ago
Settle down there, tamar. I never said that user spammed anything. I've never seen her do it once either. She's a solid user. I said she was taken advantage of....and pointed out that it her being banned was a direct result of the IM network at it's worst.
Tamar Weinberg
· 2 years ago
Kelly, I think you misconstrued my comment. I'm all settled. ;)
I agree with you. I'm just saying in her defense (and if Digg is reading) that they blatantly screwed up. If they think it's because of an IM network, they're clearly wrong. But if Digg really wanted to get people for that reason, I've got the ammunition for plenty of other spammers who really do take advantage of it.
Kelly
· 2 years ago
haha...I've always liked the unsettled side of you actually. Aren't we all more interesting and effective when we are a bit unsettled?
I hope digg staff is reading this too, and I agree they screwed up. They'll lose good users if they keep it up. Meanwhile, as you point out, there are so many other abuses that go unpunished and unresolved. For instance, I wish we could ban some of the digg staff for not fixing our site...while spending time on fluffy stuff like digg labs. Where is the sense of urgency?
Tamar Weinberg
· 2 years ago
You know, I was just thinking about that. What's up with that images lab update? Who cares?!
This is why I think Digg is not being run effectively. Why allocate resources to fluffiness and not to the core problems? Obviously, Digg management sucks. That's the bottom line. I think a 17 year old can run Digg better than Kevin and Jay and the powers that be can.
SilentJay74
· 2 years ago
HELLO TAMAR!!! Love the article! Words cannot express how much you hit the nail on head. I think Digg started going down hill when they brought in new advertisers. I think that they wanted Kevin and Digg to clean house a bit so these advertisers would not have to be linked to something they felt differently about. Digg has been going down hill. Another of my friends who was in the Digg Top 100 just received his ban this week. It's is getting stupid over there. After Greg was tossed I had about had it with them. No matter what the Digg management thinks it still comes down to USER DRIVEN CONTENT! So if you guys at Digg think you are cleaning house, here is the truth, the house was fine, but you guys are polishing the turd.
scott baradell
· 2 years ago
This is very frank, informative post, Tamar. Thank you for sharing this.
Jeff F.
· 2 years ago
Tamar - Way to stick it to the man! I love your posts. Mainly because you always exploit the flaws...
...Just remember, the squeeky wheel always gets the grease.
Tamar Weinberg
· 2 years ago
Just a heads up to the 300 people who have IM'd me asking me "what did the two users do wrong [to get banned]?"
Dudes, if I knew the answer to that question, do you think this blog post would be here?! ;)
Webomatica
· 2 years ago
Nice - now Valleywag linked to ya. :)
Vince
· 2 years ago
Awesome post, Tamar! I have a similar situation with some of these banned users. I'm not in the top 100 or anything, but I digg anywhere from 50-100 stories per day and I have many of the top guys as mutual friends. My account, as of the last update (images) took a downward spiral...even though I was doing all the right things and submitting quality content, my stories rarely made it the upcoming section (even with some 20-50 diggs on the story with a 12 hour period). I did a little test and setup a new user (FYI: I have an anonymous browser when I surf, so it wasn't on the same IP) and all I did was digg, digg, digg (no submissions). Within 2 days I had received a mutual friendship with 2 of the top diggers and I was stoked. On the 3rd day, my account was deleted. Why ban a user that only dugg stories that were upcoming or from top diggers? Oh, and it's been a couple days now...and, unsurprisingly, no response to my emails about reinstating my account.
Rafi Vartanian
· 2 years ago
Tamar - Love the commentary and agree with you 100% on the following "you built the platform. We, however, built the success"
Raja sekharan
· 2 years ago
Wow!
For once I had some respect for Kevin Rose after what he did with that secret code thing. I almost thought he gave a damn for the community.
As usual people corrupted by power and success. Just another brick in the wall.
sam
· 2 years ago
Its all about the money
1389
· 1 year ago
Never mind a seventeen-year-old doing a better job of running Digg than the current management. It'd work better than this if nobody were running it at all!
Tamar Weinberg
· 1 year ago
Actually, 1389, I'd be inclined to agree, but I think that the lack of response from anyone in an authoritative position is what is most disappointing about how Digg is being operated. It already feels that nobody is running it. That's what needs to change. The people who have a responsibility to answer support@digg.com emails should actually answer them instead of leaving them ignored. I don't care if they're unable to disclose whatever to whoever, but the fact that they even bother to answer will remove all the speculation and might actually show some maturity on their part.
It's interesting because I'm reading "Now is Gone" from Geoff Livingston and it's all about how companies should be using new media to communicate with their "audience" (or more correctly stated, "communities"). Digg is a site that is built on the "new media" foundation, but yet it fails at actually communicating with the users. It's irony at its best.
Vectorpedia(Rick)
· 1 year ago
Excellent article........A number of my friends have also been banned for no reason and Digg would never reply..........everyone should drop Digg and move on
USB Drive
· 1 year ago
Nice - now Valleywag linked to ya. :)
knud
· 1 year ago
Hi
I am working on a site which try to solve many of the problems with digg.com. You can find it on http://crowdnews.eu.
The main problem with digg is the voting system. When only top voted stories get on the front page it has to be a subject that many can relate to, which result in stories with a low information content.
Crowdnews solves this by using sharing instead of voting. Every have a personal news page on which they can subscribe to other users and when those users share stories they will appear on the personal news page.
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On a related note, you missed Digg Blackmail (for which, oh irony of ironies and shitty Google domain trust algos, Digg ranks on top of Performancing; it's like me linking to your criticism of Kevin Rose and getting into the SERPs above you).
As usual, I'm loving your content Tamar!
This might be an online world and all, but people still have feelings. Would Digg want to be held liable if one of their most loyal users went off the deep end (put it this way, hurt themselves) because Digg banned their account? Did Digg lose sight about the fact that people are sensitive? It's time to respond to it.
@tamar do you really think it can be salvaged I don't, the problems are in the code, the philosophy, the users, it's infected the system so much it's part of the system. It would collapse without it.
My Blog post
I've also never understood digg banning first and asking questions later when it comes to established users. Why not fire off an email warning first? If not, at the very least respond to the user once it's done.
...and I agree with Dave above, the community is the strongest part of digg right now. As far as pure function, he site is almost impossible to use. Clicking on anything is a waiting game.
I agree with you. I'm just saying in her defense (and if Digg is reading) that they blatantly screwed up. If they think it's because of an IM network, they're clearly wrong. But if Digg really wanted to get people for that reason, I've got the ammunition for plenty of other spammers who really do take advantage of it.
I hope digg staff is reading this too, and I agree they screwed up. They'll lose good users if they keep it up. Meanwhile, as you point out, there are so many other abuses that go unpunished and unresolved. For instance, I wish we could ban some of the digg staff for not fixing our site...while spending time on fluffy stuff like digg labs. Where is the sense of urgency?
This is why I think Digg is not being run effectively. Why allocate resources to fluffiness and not to the core problems? Obviously, Digg management sucks. That's the bottom line. I think a 17 year old can run Digg better than Kevin and Jay and the powers that be can.
I think Digg started going down hill when they brought in new advertisers. I think that they wanted Kevin and Digg to clean house a bit so these advertisers would not have to be linked to something they felt differently about. Digg has been going down hill. Another of my friends who was in the Digg Top 100 just received his ban this week. It's is getting stupid over there. After Greg was tossed I had about had it with them.
No matter what the Digg management thinks it still comes down to USER DRIVEN CONTENT! So if you guys at Digg think you are cleaning house, here is the truth, the house was fine, but you guys are polishing the turd.
...Just remember, the squeeky wheel always gets the grease.
Dudes, if I knew the answer to that question, do you think this blog post would be here?! ;)
For once I had some respect for Kevin Rose after what he did with that secret code thing. I almost thought he gave a damn for the community.
As usual people corrupted by power and success. Just another brick in the wall.
It's interesting because I'm reading "Now is Gone" from Geoff Livingston and it's all about how companies should be using new media to communicate with their "audience" (or more correctly stated, "communities"). Digg is a site that is built on the "new media" foundation, but yet it fails at actually communicating with the users. It's irony at its best.
I am working on a site which try to solve many of the problems with digg.com.
You can find it on http://crowdnews.eu.
The main problem with digg is the voting system.
When only top voted stories get on the front page it has
to be a subject that many can relate to,
which result in stories with a low information content.
Crowdnews solves this by using sharing instead of voting.
Every have a personal news page on which they can subscribe to other users and when those users share stories they will appear on the personal news page.
Join me on CrowdNews