Awesome write-up tamar, and I agree with every point. I'm starting to get a lot more involved in Digg than I used to be and it sure can be a lot of hard work.
Dugg and Sphunn
Unhappy Digger
· 2 years ago
Way to go tamar. but i sincerely doubt it will make to front page. remember auto-bury! happy digging? no more!
Matt Jones
· 2 years ago
All I can add to this great post is I'm flattered my site was used as the example of a banned site. I agree that sites URLs should be banned if the owner of the site was the one submitting the spammy low-quality content, but even then should it really be a life sentence? I 'learned my lesson' long ago. I will shower when Blogging Fingers is Free!
ob81
· 2 years ago
I feel your post, and agree with most of your requests. Kevin's Ratio is going to be superficial anyway. I question who cares about it. You obviously did your homework, and it makes loads of sense to "ban" sites that are auto-banned.
One thing that does not fit well is your point about getting 60+ diggs on a story AFTER it was buried. I have been using digg seriously a clean 2 or 3 weeks, and even I know that those votes were probably from friends who befriended you, as others couldn't even see your story.
Listening more to ALL users would be great also. :) Great letter Tamar. ob81
Tamar Weinberg
· 2 years ago
"Way to go tamar. but i sincerely doubt it will make to front page. remember auto-bury! happy digging? no more!"
That's not a concern of mine at all. I wrote this knowing that there were risks. However, I think it needed to be said.
Unhappy Digger
· 2 years ago
"Thats not a concern of mine at all". but we are concerned. we wish it goes to the front page & create the mark it demands for. even if it doesn't, still you have made a point which i am sure will cause some ripple in digg though not tsunami!
Good read. Concise and right to the point, without being overbearing. :-)
HMTKSteve
· 2 years ago
If you want a clear indicator od wether digg is targeting you (as a blogger) or not is to launch a new site with no ties to your "auto-bury" site and see if the same content makes digg's home page. I have done this and you know what? The same content on a different domain makes the front page!
So, what does that tell you about the bury system?
Bill Hartzer
· 2 years ago
I totally agree--stories that are auto-buried should be banned. But again, have you considered the fact that they might not have a problem with the domain but they might have a problem with the story itself? Perhaps there's some sort of filter that looks for certain characteristics...and auto-buries it (e.g., if the story is a dupe or something).
As for what's going on with that particular profile, you're right--something doesn't look right with Kevin Rose's profile.
weee
· 2 years ago
Digg is dead long live Hugg!
BillyWarhol
· 2 years ago
Who gives a Flying Fart*
It's all about Self Promo + Vanity*
Give some Attention to DARFUR or Bush's Illegal War in Iraq*
;))
Peace*
DragonFly
· 2 years ago
I posted http://www.politicallyoutspoken.com/cblog/archi... a while back at my blogsite regarding a group of individuals who appeared to be monitoring my submissions for topics they obviously don't want others to read even though many in the digg community find them diggworthy.
I've written Kevin Rose and company four emails regarding submissions that mysteriously disappeared (one was poised at the very top of the 'upcoming' list with votes and comments still coming in), as well as a few others that moved rapidly up the cue with comments - when all of a sudden - poof - gone. Logically speaking, this shouldn't have happened.
By the way, I've never gotten a reply to my emails.
I've taken some of those same articles to 'coRank' and 'stirrdup' and they've gone right to frontpage.
I'm quite concerned about what is going on at 'Digg' and have been wondering if the real reason for the majority of my buried posts has more to do with internal censorship than with a group of diggers systematically burying my submissions.
So your post is timely for me. Thanks, and please keep us informed.
('iDragonFly' at 'Digg')
engtech
· 2 years ago
Good luck getting the message through, unfortunately I think the issues with burying are locked in stone. If you're a content creator then that's as good as being a spammer in some people's books.
"Of course, that definitely raises some eyebrows considering that this is an extreme mathematic anomaly..."
As I just said to you on IM, lmao. You have to love the fact that not only does it list three less stories submitted than made popular, but that the percentage accurately reflects the lying figures. At least that part of their algo is accurate.
Tamar Weinberg
· 2 years ago
Josh: who cares? I haven't written this to get Diggs. I've written this to bring a long-standing issue to the attention of the people who can make a difference.
Webomatica
· 2 years ago
This is a good issue to raise, thanks for doing it. I can think of several blogs (including my own) that have the issue of stories being "auto buried" which leads to paranoid thoughts of a "bury brigade". But the end result of this situation for me is that I don't use digg very much anymore. I don't need digg traffic anymore to have a successful site.
Rea Maor
· 2 years ago
Bravo tamar, i hope Kevin will find the time to read it himself, Digg did their first major error with the Code Censorship thingy few months ago - i hope they've learned enough from their mistakes and avoid all the "behind the scene" editing.
LGR
· 2 years ago
Good letter but somehow I don't think Digg will care. Pack up the Digg shirt and move on.
Virat
· 2 years ago
@ Josh: How can Mr.BabyMan go against Digg? Nor can he go against Kevin. Kevin in a way is his master who give him his bread & butter. And is the case of many others like zaibatsu. Only those diggers like Saleem & tamar & all who have their standing & a base can comment against digg. Have you ever seen Babyman digging anything against digg? big no! In case of Saleem its seen many a times. And the end result have you observed that these days Saleem needs hell of diggs to make it to the front page & at times even more than 150 & still it wont make it. He is paying the price of his standing & so will Tamar have too. Remember its not easy to stand for yourself & make a statement & here Tamar made a statement against the MIGHTY DIGG & EGOCENTRIC KEVIN THE GREAT who the average digger treat as there lord. May in coming times we will see less & less of Tamar's stories on front page & it wont happen immediately KEVIN IS NO FOOL!
anon
· 2 years ago
Has anyone noted Mrbabyman had been digging very profoundly for http://www.darkroastedblend.com even though he failed many times with that site. Is Mrbabyman has some interests in that site or are the some of the digger getting paid to digg?
Urbanist
· 2 years ago
I wonder if this will reach Kevin or not - there are some powerful Diggers who both voted for and commented on the post as well as on the Digg submission. How can he not notice? At the same time, this has been an issue for a long time, so maybe he just doesn't care - or we need to speak even louder ;)
Michael Stokes
· 2 years ago
If anyone from Digg Inc. is listening I would also like to add the following: It has become clear that your overall traffic is dropping precipitously (ComScore, Alexa, Compete) I would like to posit that the reason for the drop is because of your auto-bury procedure. First, by auto-burying thousands of sites you've insured that about 25 sites make up the bulk of the news on Digg, therefore lowering the value of your news aggregation service. Why go to Digg when I can go to these sites directly. Second, many of the people associated with the sites you've banned have stopped visiting Digg (were talking tens of thousands of people) and will quickly embrace an alternative once it comes along--and it will if you do not rethink your policies.
Tamar Weinberg
· 2 years ago
Anon: perhaps you should listen to the podcast that MrBabyMan participates in (www.thedrilldown.com). He Diggs stories that are of interest to him and those stories may not necessarily have potential to hit the main page. Again, who cares?
MG Siegler
· 2 years ago
I'm with you Tamar, but as usual, I'm afraid the silence from Digg on this issue will be deafening.
David
· 2 years ago
Answser your support emails mr rose, you coward.
Skitzzo
· 2 years ago
As a previously VERY active member of Digg and almost a top 100 user, I couldn't agree with you more. However, this has been an issue with Digg for quite some time and unfortunately they don't seem interested in addressing the concerns raised by several of the people that have contributed the most to their site. In fact, top users have to have more diggs for their stories to hit the front page. That to me, suggests Digg want's you to use their site, and then penalizes you for doing so once you reach a certain point. How does that make sense? And yet, no word from Digg on any of these tougher issues... they're too busy screwing up the comment displays and things like that.
Lee Odden
· 2 years ago
Hey Tamar, too bad about Chris' site. Our blog domain has been on some kind of banned list (arguably unjustly) for well over a year - LOL and I haven't missed Digg traffic a bit. I'd pay money for someone to find anything spammy on our site. :)
Eric Seiden
· 2 years ago
I agree with most of what's here. I walked away from Digg and removed all DIGG THIS stuff from blog (except one generic Digg link which still remains). I have nothing against Digg but something doesn't smell or feel right.
Banned From Digg (again)
· 2 years ago
digg sucks big time..
I say global ban on those loosers..
Bring on Web 3.0 asap!
Simkin
· 1 year ago
Few days ago I registered a small stream of referrals to my website from Digg. I followed the link in my access log and arrived at http://digg.com/all/design/upcoming/most where my "artist or ape" page was in the left column on the fourth place with 32 diggs. However, it was absent in the right column "hot in design" which they include in feeds. At the same time "hot" column included pages with only 4 diggs. Somehow for Digg 4 diggs is hot but 32 is not.
it got 378 meneos and 99 comentarios and was on their front page for many hours. This is despite that my page is in English.
Some weird things must be happening on Digg.
Tamar Weinberg
· 1 year ago
Simkin: that is normal. If you wanted to see what was in upcoming, you just go to http://digg.com/design/upcoming/most. Why repeat that column in the "hot in all topics" column? The right-hand column is algorithmically selected (though many people think it's random and doesn't matter). It's never been any different, either.
All Comments
Dugg and Sphunn
happy digging? no more!
One thing that does not fit well is your point about getting 60+ diggs on a story AFTER it was buried. I have been using digg seriously a clean 2 or 3 weeks, and even I know that those votes were probably from friends who befriended you, as others couldn't even see your story.
Listening more to ALL users would be great also. :) Great letter Tamar.
ob81
happy digging? no more!"
That's not a concern of mine at all. I wrote this knowing that there were risks. However, I think it needed to be said.
thought the second one still there: http://digg.com/tech_news/An_Open_Letter_to_Kev... .
hope it stays.
So, what does that tell you about the bury system?
As for what's going on with that particular profile, you're right--something doesn't look right with Kevin Rose's profile.
It's all about Self Promo + Vanity*
Give some Attention to DARFUR or Bush's Illegal War in Iraq*
;))
Peace*
I've written Kevin Rose and company four emails regarding submissions that mysteriously disappeared (one was poised at the very top of the 'upcoming' list with votes and comments still coming in), as well as a few others that moved rapidly up the cue with comments - when all of a sudden - poof - gone.
Logically speaking, this shouldn't have happened.
By the way, I've never gotten a reply to my emails.
I've taken some of those same articles to 'coRank' and 'stirrdup' and they've gone right to frontpage.
I'm quite concerned about what is going on at 'Digg' and have been wondering if the real reason for the majority of my buried posts has more to do with internal censorship than with a group of diggers systematically burying my submissions.
So your post is timely for me.
Thanks, and please keep us informed.
('iDragonFly' at 'Digg')
As I just said to you on IM, lmao. You have to love the fact that not only does it list three less stories submitted than made popular, but that the percentage accurately reflects the lying figures. At least that part of their algo is accurate.
i hope Kevin will find the time to read it himself,
Digg did their first major error with the Code Censorship thingy
few months ago - i hope they've learned enough from their mistakes and avoid all the "behind the scene" editing.
Only those diggers like Saleem & tamar & all who have their standing & a base can comment against digg.
Have you ever seen Babyman digging anything against digg? big no!
In case of Saleem its seen many a times. And the end result have you observed that these days Saleem needs hell of diggs to make it to the front page & at times even more than 150 & still it wont make it.
He is paying the price of his standing & so will Tamar have too.
Remember its not easy to stand for yourself & make a statement & here Tamar made a statement against the MIGHTY DIGG & EGOCENTRIC KEVIN THE GREAT who the average digger treat as there lord.
May in coming times we will see less & less of Tamar's stories on front page & it wont happen immediately KEVIN IS NO FOOL!
I say global ban on those loosers..
Bring on Web 3.0 asap!
At the moment my webpage is absent even from the left column, but I saved a screenshot http://reverent.org/webarchive/digg-design-upco...
Here is what my webpage finally got on Digg
http://digg.com/design/An_artist_or_an_ape
51 diggs, 4 comments
In contrast, on the Spanish language social bookmark site
http://meneame.net/story/un-artista-o-un-mono
it got 378 meneos and 99 comentarios and was on their front page for many hours. This is despite that my page is in English.
Some weird things must be happening on Digg.